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Rhodri Morgan
It'll be the garden shed rather than the House of Lords for Wales' First Minister, Rhodri Morgan when he retires from politics.
"When people ask, 'Won't you be in the House of Lords?' I reply, 'No, I'll be in the shed,'" says Rhodri.
One of the First Minister's main interests is woodwork and he tells Heledd Cynwal that he intends to spend more time pursuing his hobby in the shed at the bottom of the garden.
Looking back
The First Minister talks about his upbringing in Radyr, near Cardiff and about the growth of the Welsh language and Welsh identity in the capital.
He became an Oxford University student in 1958 at the same time as his older brother, Prys, who had by then done two years' National Service.
Seeing a film clip of Prys being interviewed while punting on the river in Oxford during his college days, proves quite emotional for Rhodri.
Archive films
The interview by Myfanwy Howell was part of an item on the reluctance of Oxford University and the students' union to see more women enrolled as students.
In another film clip, Jim Griffiths, the first Secretary of State for Wales, and one of Rhodri's heroes, calls for an Elected Council for Wales but says he doubts the value of having a Welsh Senedd.